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2016: Election Results by County by YNot1989 2016: Election Results by County by YNot1989
Some of you may be familiar of this map going around right now more than usual: static4.businessinsider.com/im…
 
Basically, this map has been used by some to justify the continued existence of the electoral college, citing that we can't get rid of the EC because doing so will result in a world where Presidential candidates just hop between major cities and the interior of the country will be left utterly ignored. This map is a sort of rebuttal to that.

Counties in Blue went Democrat and aren't where a majority of the country lives, counties in Dark Blue are in the majority zone and also went Democrat.

Counties in Red went Republican and aren't in the majority, and counties in purple are in the majority and went Republican.

As you can see, most of the Democratic counties live outside the majority zone. And while fewer areas of the Majority zone voted Republican, one thing that should be clear is that the claim that the country votes homogenously one way and cities another, is simply not true, and it gets even fuzzier when you look at the margin of victory map: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

With the exception of a handful of areas DEEP in the center of the country and in the absolute hearts of major cities, most of the country breaks pretty close to 50/50 with regard for who they voted for in 2016 (well, 47/47 really).

My point is this, getting rid of the electoral college won't leave the heartland unrepresented, but it will end the myth that some states break one way and other states break another way. Presidential candidates won't spend all their time jetting from major cities, doing so would kill their chances to control the house and the senate. And how is the current system better when candidates spend the bulk of their time in just a handful of swing states who often receive a disproportionately high number of federal dollars?

Let's ditch the electoral college and adopt a system that makes a little more sense.
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naf140230 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
I think you should see this: geopoliticalfutures.com/letter…

What do you think?
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DanP2002 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
When you realize you started a political war in the comments...... Time for a new alternate history map :3
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Abashi76 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2016
Trump won a lot in the Pacific Northwest.
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naf140230 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016
Voter fraud has been exposed in Wisconsin. A recount might occur.
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YNot1989 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Looks to be a calculating error not fraud.
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avikings Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Donald Trump won 3,084 out of the 3,151 counties in the 'Lower 48', yet there are people who believe that those remaining 57 counties should dictate the fate and future of the entire United States, including yourself. 

YNot1989,
I respect your opinion, and I look up to you a lot with your forward thinking and I love some of your ideas and in this case I agree that the electoral college needs to be reconsidered if not replaced with something else for a more direct democracy to eliminate the middle-man of the U.S Congress.
But in this case, 'the Flyover Republic,' rational people, centrists, populists and Normal Working-class America rose up and chose our path. Not the uniformed, not the regressive-left, not SJW's, and not the establishment. 
This was our second revolution and thank god it was peaceful. Get ready for America to be re-enfranchised and for some of your ideas to be a reality. 

Very Respectfully,

Me.
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YNot1989 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He won less than half the popular vote, and of those remaining counties, nearly 2/3rds of all economic activity in the country are produced (in no small part due to the fact that a lot of people in the surrounding counties commute there). Also, you're assuming that Trump won those counties unanimously and Clinton won the cities unanimously. The whole point of the popular vote is to end the era of winner-take-all politics, and represent the interests and opinions of the nation as a whole, not the majority (or in many cases in 2016, plurality) of individual administrative levels of the government. 

And saying you "respect" my opinions does not magically undo the fact that you spent a paragraph bashing where I live and the majority of people in this country who did not vote for the racist, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-education, narcissistic, fear mongering imbecile who shall be the 45th President of the United States also live.
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PachPachis Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2016
We don't believe that only cities should decide the elections, but the majority of people. If the majority vote didn't land on the side of the countryside, tough - that's democracy.
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bls35mm Featured By Owner Edited Nov 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
UPDATE from earlier comments:

HELLO! .... Did SOME 'research' on said ELECTORAL COLLEGE .....

IF I 'understand' correctly, '29' of OUR "STATES" have MANDATED by their/each
STATE LAWS that ''electors'' selected to give FINAL VOTE on PRESIDENTIAL elections
just held, that said ELECTORS MUST VOTE FOR those whom THEIR STATE voted for ....

OTHER STATES that do NOT HAVE such MANDATED voter/electors LAWS in place, are
FREE to VOTE (as ELECTORS) for ANYONE they CHOOSE ....

And, according to OUR U.S. CONSTITUTION and ALL OTHER DOCUMENTS,
there APPEARS to be NO LAW that STATES that ELECTORS of the electoral college
MUST VOTE for WHOM the VOTERS said should win ....

EACH has THEIR OWN MIND and WILL to VOTE FOR WHOMEVER that THEY want ....

My BEST again and THANKS for letting this ONE, DUMB OLD CITIZEN yap some in YOUR good gallery!

FEEL FREE to voice YOUR views/etc. in MY FEEBLE gallery here at LONG as you desire! ....

My BEST again to YOU and YOURS,

bls35mm/brian

NOTE: It appears that NEBRASKA and MAINE DO have some APPORTIONED/RATIO systems
for ELECTORAL voting already!
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matritum Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Clinton won most Mexican-border counties. The two most populated cities are dark blue. You should get conclusions from it.
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PachPachis Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2016
Hispanic people and large cities tending to vote democrat isn't exactly forbidden knowledge, mate.
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Scarz-de-Vegas Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
Your premise is flawed. . .the Dems always go to the big cities and try to draw as many votes as they can and in most cases it usually works. . .usually if they win Philly, they take PA, usually if they take Cleveland, they take Ohio, Detroit they take MI, Vegas they take NV. . .that map actually shows that exactly, however as the map shows, the majority of Counties in the US voted Republican. . .it is a prime example of why the Electoral College needs to stay, otherwise New York City and LA would determine how the country is governed. . .
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A-Cynical-Idealist Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017
LA and New York only account for a small percentage of the population. If the electoral college goes, then candidates still have to win a plurality, which in most cases would still be the majority of the population. If anything, ditching the electoral college would make it harder for candidates to win a easily because they a wouldn't be able to ignore minority blocs in states where they're popular. This is especially good new for the 30-40% of Californians who voted for Trump but got their votes thrown out when their state's majority went for Clinton. Democrats targeting cities is just a reflection of where their voters are, not a secret strategy to disenfranchise the rural population.
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nieOgaRex Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
Red counties will be better off without Bule ones. Not other way around. Bayfaggots, Big Rotten Apple and Boston can get fucked. They have no fabrics or farms, 90% of thier welth comes from banking and services. Electoral college was created solely to say big fat "Fuck you" to anyone in California or New York (then Virgina, but it's the same shit) who withk that you can use popular vote IN A FUCKING >U N I O N< OF >S T A T ES<.

Not to meantiong that THREE. FUCKING. MILION. ILLEGALS. VOTED. And they voted for this warmonger bitch, I can assure you that.
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Jack-Abbott Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
On the one hand, this seems like a good idea. This is the 21st century. We don't need the electoral college. Surely we can all vote via the Internet from home. There would have to be some extraordinary precautions against fraud, but I think it could work.

On the other hand, I'm seriously starting to think that the people of this country are too stupid and uninformed to vote for our leaders. But I don't have a better system. Kings and queens are a silly idea. What I'd like to see is a government composed of professionals representing each major field. Personally I'd like to see a Council of Scientists running everything, but that would come with its own problems.

Anyway. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Short term, yeah, get rid of the electoral college.
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AlexanderAbelard Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I'm with you. Technocracy for America; Technocracy for the World.
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WolfofSatanas Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Not everyone in the us has access or is able to vote online. Some may be registered but are too poor to vote online or even have a computer. But that's just me.
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Jack-Abbott Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
That's true. Maybe online voting could be an option, but if you don't have a computer or internet, you can still go to a voting station. Either way, it probably would be best for the electoral college to go.
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ticaille Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
Sounds good to me
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corncon Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
If Hillary won, no one would be complaining about the electoral college. If there are people out there who legitimately have a grievance with the system, it actually makes a lot of sense if you look into why it was implemented in the first place. Suck it up, guys. 
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elmjuniper Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No, it really doesn't. It's not democracy if the majority of people vote for one person, then having the one with lesser votes win.
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corncon Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
It's not direct democracy, but this country isn't a direct democracy anyway. People who live in the same geographic locations tend to vote the same way, so giving less power to population centers makes sense. Also, the electoral college is a good safeguard against voting fraud, since that tends to occur in the big cities and comprises 3-5 million votes per election usually.
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LizaStolz Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Student Digital Artist
when you say majority do you include millions of illegals and the dead ?
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elmjuniper Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because the dead can vote? Your argument adds nothing to the discussion. Look at the percentage and the majority who voted did so for Hillary.
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LizaStolz Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Student Digital Artist
ah..it looks like you know nothing about what really happened in this election guess you only watch CNN or some other "trustworthy" networks. The dead DID vote because it was a massive vote fraud..haha but it didn't work that sick criminal still didn't get her way :).  Maybe my argument adds nothing for you but it speaks the truth 
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elmjuniper Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As supposed to what, Fox News? :*)
I don't trust anything American to be honest. Your whole world view is skewed, so no, no American news channels for me.
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LizaStolz Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I don't watch fox news. or any american channels for that matter. I do my own research but I suppose swedish media is your propaganda of choice...typical.. It's a waste of time to save you guys out of Hillary's butt ... once you go full on brainwashed you can't go back. 
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AlexanderAbelard Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Now Clinton controls the Swedish media too? And somehow nobody knows about it?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
Is there a special reason that some regions voted blue mainly?
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YNot1989 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This might explain things: i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/0…
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
AHAHAH I see what u mean XD
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Dreampurr Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
so disappointing tbh that most the country still supports a party who's candidates have always stood proudly by hate and injustice 
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Caine-of-Nod Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Photographer
Most countries don't have an Electoral College when voting for president and/or prime minister and they do just fine with a popular vote. Let's get rid of archaic piece shit and modernize already. Do we always want to be beholden to the Past to dictate how we choose our leaders?
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CivPlayer Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
geopoliticalfutures.com/the-el…
I'ma just leave this here
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YNot1989 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Already read it, and while George always makes interesting points, he's just wrong about this one. The founders fucked up, multiple times, and what's more irritating, is that George either doesn't recognize that, or just can't think of any kind of solution. He mentions that the founders didn't recognize that parties are basically a natural part of the political evolution of a society, state the inherent problems of that, and then seems to suggest that the electoral college was created to solve a problem the founders themselves did not anticipate.

The electoral college has to go BUT just replacing it with a popular vote system isn't enough. George right points out that this would lead to more scenarios where a candidate doesn't win a clear majority, and therefore more situations where the House must functionally appoint another branch of government, and I don't think anyone seriously trusts the house to be impartial in this matter. So we need is to adopt either ranked choice or approval voting (I lean approval, as it is a little less buggy when you have a lot of candidates running), before or at the same time as the popular vote. That way the spoiler effect is eliminated, people are free to state their support for their preferred candidate, but the victor will always be the one with the most people approve of. 

Additionally, like many people these days, George is claiming that candidates run with the knowledge that they must consider the interests of small states with only 3 electoral votes, and that is just not true. Republicans aren't touring the farm belt trying to drum up support, they go to where the election is closest, just like the Democrats do, and fight for the support for a tiny fraction of the country that can't make up its mind. This system does not represent the small states more than the big states, it just creates a new problem by making the election a fight over the swing states. The electoral college doesn't do the basic thing it promises to do. The Senate remains the guardian of state sovereignty in practice, not the electoral college, and the fact that you need at least half the states on your side to govern, is what really compels Presidential candidates and sitting Presidents to spend time and resources in states with smaller populations. The EC is unnecessary, does not reflect how the nation views the Presidency, and fails in the most basic things its purported to do. It needs to go. 
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Eremitik Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016
Thank you. That actually makes a lot of sense.
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darthbren Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2016  Student Writer
well that's depressing as hell
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Robo-Diglet Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2016
>Let's ditch the electoral college and adopt a system that makes a little more sense.

Hohenzollern, Braganza, Windsor, Bourbon, Romanov, Aisin Gioro, Savoy, Wittelsbach, Habsburg, Skoropadski, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha there's a few choices ;)
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Spiritswriter123 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You forgot the obvious choice, Bonaparte.
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snarfevs Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My entire family has been proud Pennsylvanian Libertarians since '72. Got the flag and everything. This time around though, I was gonna vote for Hillary, because I was so excited at the possibility of the first female president. Then I heard about Brightbard and the whole Spirit Cooking thing, and I was like, 'No way!', because even though I don't believe in any of that stuff, I couldn't handle the thought of *personally* voting for someone who is into occultic (demonic) things. Anyhow I was discussing it at the supper table with the other porcupines (that's what we call each other, lol), and it turns out that we basically all felt the same way. Now, none of us wanted Drumpf to win, but we looked at Huffington Post and saw that Hillary was way ahead, and that it was a 'sure thing', so we agreed to vote for Johnson. Now I realize that HuffPo was hoodwinked and we all feel like we have egg on our face.

I guess what I'm saying is that we have never really felt like our vote mattered and it seems like getting rid of the electoral colleges would make things even worse. How do we change the system to make my vote count?
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YNot1989 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Great points all around. The best system that I can see is approval voting: www.youtube.com/watch?v=orybDr…

Ranked choice is pretty similar (that's what they  now have in Maine), but I've been talking to some statistics geeks, and basically it gets kinda buggy when you have a lot of candidates running, and you have a situation where the candidate more people vote for could actually lose the election, because ranked choice requires you to rank EVERYONE on the list.

Approval voting is basically they system we have now, but you get to vote multiple times. So if you are ok with the Democrat, but also really like the Libertarian, you can vote for both and tell the green party to fuck off. Your vote is counted, your views represented, but ultimately the candidate who wins is the one everyone is ok with. So you no longer have a system where people vote for the lesser of two evils, smaller parties would get more representation, and no spoiler effect. You could also end the era of candidates like Bernie Sanders running in Democratic primaries and instead more independent progressive movements that can co-exist with the moderate left without alienating everyone.
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WolfofSatanas Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'd just like to point out that real Satanism doesn't practice human sacrifice of any of the sorts. It's really about empowering the soul and mind through meditation on the soul, loves life and humanity in general. It does not advocate anything illegal, we are law aiding. While religious hoaxes like Christianity give instruction after instruction in the bible on how to do sacrifices(see here: dawn666blacksun.angelfire.com/… )

Fake Satanism gives real Satanism a bad rap, if you'd like to learn more on the subject please go here:

Joyofsatan.org


Now for bring back on topic, I do also agree getting rid of the electoral college would be a bad thing for the country. The Founding Father's weren't stupid, they put it there for a reason, after many debates of course.
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snarfevs Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Did you know that the first site you linked to is written by actual neo-nazis?
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WolfofSatanas Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You obviously know nothing about national socialism, which has its roots in paganism. Not Christianity, and we don't believe in neo-nazis(who believe NS is Christians, white are superior, ect). You just took what you first read about the site before actually reading the site, ignorance at its finest.

Adolf Hitler purposely put his personal id card at 555 for his membership of the National Socialist Party.
(Card can be found here: forum.axishistory.com/download… ) even the number seven is pagan meaning, as it represents the seven main chakras of the soul. Which needs empowerment in order to achieve the magnum opus. (They changed his number to 7, jokes on them since it's still symbolic and subtle to those who know they're stuff)

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or NSDAP, or simply, NAZIS.

The Party was a lot smaller then this, this fact is well established in history books. So what does this symbolic number mean, why was it chosen for his personal number?

As known the National Socialist Party was created and run by the Thule Society a Satanist Order.


555 is RA the fifth rune. RA means darkness in Sanskrit. Which is what 555 is called in gematria which was stolen from the Greeks [even the word is Greek]. The black sun. The black sun symbol is just the Zodiac wheel with the lighting emanating from the center point the RA. In fact the entire black sun is nothing but the circle with the dot in the center. Which is the symbol of god in the Aryan mysteries and the symbol of the Black Sun was called RA by the ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Vedic's. The Radius of the circle is Ra deus, God RA. The god of the hidden or black sun is RA. And in Hebrew RA means "evil".

The symbol of the circle with the dot is the glyph of the sun and the symbol of the gold in the work. This symbol was given to Osiris whom the Egyptians called Lucifer. The Black Sun is also shown as the Oroboros serpent, the symbol of the Magum Opus in Hermetic doctrine.

Need I say more? Nothing of National Socialism is Christian, TRUE National Socialism(not that filth redneck Christians try to push) is Pagan in origin and not bad.

If NS was Christian, then why attack Jews? When in the bible, the main source of this religion, states that Jews are 'gods chosen people' can't be Christian if you attack your gods people, now can you? Or use symbols that predate Christianity?
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snarfevs Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
- I'm actually not American.
- Raiders of the Lost Ark isn't real.
- Hellsing isn't real.
- Hellboy isn't real.
- Charles Stross isn't real.
- Christianity isn't real.
- Satan isn't real.
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WolfofSatanas Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
-never said anything about the Lost Ark
-Never stated anything about hellsing
-Never said about Hellboy
-Never said anything about Charles Stross
-you're being irrelevant, catching on yet?
-Christianity is a religion, sadly.
-Satan is real, but is not a Christian invention but a ancient pagan God.
-Has only stated fact and information regarding something you're ignorant to.
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sulPSulk Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2016
There's CGP Grey's video that was a response to his own video debunking it, while also addressing that same map you mentioned and about how nothing is done for the smaller states in the current system.

Aforementioned video
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YNot1989 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It doesn't debunk it, and it ignores infill. He simply says its a question of what you think should be counted: states or people.

I make the argument that the answer is people, as the President has been treed as the representative of the people of the united states since Andy Jackson. Everything we say and act with regard to the President is under the assumption that he is our representative to the world. As such, his election should be determined by the will of the people, not some balancing act of states.
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jennardo Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2016
How to lie with maps.
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